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Punjab & Sind Bank IPO to open on Dec 13, 2010

Closing date for qualified institutional investors (QIB): December 15 2010

Closing date for retail investors:December 16, 2010

Issue Size: 40,000,000

IPO Price: Not fixed yet.

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Punjab and Sind Bank ready for IPO.
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IPO Price: Not fixed yet.
Price band: 113-120.
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This seems to be a attractive IPO with 5% discount to retail. Opens on Monday 13-Dec.

Alchemist, appreciate your views on this IPO?
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This seems to be a attractive IPO with 5% discount to retail. Opens on Monday 13-Dec.

Alchemist, appreciate your views on this IPO?
I will apply one full application for this IPO.

I don't care about any valuation or anything.

Any other IPO coming in this month before release of its unblocked amount?

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Valuations are good. Fair value should be Rs 135.

The only thing I am worried about is heavy over-subscription.
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Valuations are good. Fair value should be Rs 135.

The only thing I am worried about is heavy over-subscription.
No problem for the oversubscribtion.

I expect least like MOIL..

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After 5 % discount price will be 114, if listing is approx at fair value of 135 , per share 20 rs gain is expected. If issue over subscribed like MOIL, for 1 full application approx 50 shares (approx 1 lot) may be issued, so effective gain will be 1000/- on 2 lac application? What is the expert opinion?
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Can you help in pofit from IPO FINANCING with example?
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After 5 % discount price will be 114, if listing is approx at fair value of 135 , per share 20 rs gain is expected. If issue over subscribed like MOIL, for 1 full application approx 50 shares (approx 1 lot) may be issued, so effective gain will be 1000/- on 2 lac application? What is the expert opinion?
Punjab & Sind Bank IPO is not even half the size of MOIL IPO.

If everyone who applied for MOIL IPO also applies for Punjab & Sind Bank IPO, half of those who submit full applications won't get any shares and other half will get 1 lot.

No one is really going to make any money from this IPO.

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You shouldn't borrow money to invest in such small IPOs. Your interest cost may be higher than your profit from your allotted shares.
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Punjab & Sind Bank IPO is not even half the size of MOIL IPO.

If everyone who applied for MOIL IPO also applies for Punjab & Sind Bank IPO, half of those who submit full applications won't get any shares and other half will get 1 lot.

No one is really going to make any money from this IPO.
As MOIL Refund will be back on all investors account before closing of Punjab & Sind Bank IPO, Also no other good IPO in pipeline, hence even if people know that profit probability is nil still heavy rush will be there.

Is there any probability that, in case of too much over subscription at least many people will get less than 1 lot or 1/2 lot on full application?
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Is there any probability that, in case of too much over subscription at least many people will get less than 1 lot or 1/2 lot on full application?
I don't think that is possible.

At least I have never seen that in happen.
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Oversubscribed at the end of day 1. Whats surprising is Employee Quota is subscribed by half already which never happens. COAL INDIA effect if you ask me.
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I have submitted one phyisical application (full). But it looks stupid to block that much amount for the tiny gain in sight. What will be the implication if i block the cheque?
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So what is the strategy for this one as even for full application chances are slim to get even 1 lot?
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What is the application criteria there for employees?

Is the 2 lakh limit applicable for them as well?

Disc: Punjab & Sind bank is not my employer. Just asking for my knowledge.
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What is the application criteria there for employees?

Is the 2 lakh limit applicable for them as well?

Disc: Punjab & Sind bank is not my employer. Just asking for my knowledge.
Yes, 2 lakh is the limit for employees as well.
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Nope, there is no such limit for employee. What's your source ?
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I have applied for 21 lots in one DP (ASBA).

In other 3 demat accounts applied for 1 lot each.
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I have applied for 21 lots in one DP (ASBA).

In other 3 demat accounts applied for 1 lot each.
Even 33 lots, means 1650 share application have rare chance for 1 lot allotment , why you used single lot in 3 accounts rather than 24 lot in single account?
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Even 33 lots, means 1650 share application have rare chance for 1 lot allotment , why you used single lot in 3 accounts rather than 24 lot in single account?
Bad experience of MOIL makes me greedy to apply with different DP's. Full applicant and tiny applicant got same quota in one applications. If you saw last few IPO's Karvy gives full allotments to tiny applicants.

So as my view I get much better quantity with more Demat Accounts.
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SCI ASBA has been unblocked.

Thanks to SEBI for introducing ASBA.

Now, I have 2 lakhs cash and not looking to make any equity investment for the next 2 weeks at least.

So, have applied for this IPO hoping to get 1 lot.

Assuming current GMP, profit will be 50*30=1500 if at all I get 1 lot which looks difficult.

I would have never applied for this IPO if ASBA would not have been available. Now, I will apply using ASBA.
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Nope, there is no such limit for employee. What's your source ?
Page 407, 408 of the RHP:

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The Bids must be for a minimum of [*] Equity Shares and in multiples of [*] Equity Shares thereafter,so as to ensure that the Bid Amount does not exceed Rs 2,00,000.
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The Bids must be for a minimum of[*] Equity Shares and in multiples of[*] Equity Shares thereafter,so as to ensure that the Bid Amount does not exceed Rs 2,00,000.
Ohh, earlier there was no limit for employees,e.g TCS IPO in 2004.
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Ohh, earlier there was no limit for employees,e.g TCS IPO in 2004.
That's true.

Even I didn't know that now there is a limit for employees.

Maybe it was scams like those in Pyramid Saimira IPO that made SEBI change the rules.

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During the probe, Sebi found that these bogus employees had worked at the company from August 2006 to early January 2007. The company floated an IPO in December. Moreover, the people who were allotted 98.5% of the shares reserved for employees, sold their shares within three days of the allotment for Rs 2.3 crore.
SC upholds Sebi ban on Pyramid Saimira - The Economic Times.
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Given the way the MOIL stock behaved on the listing day - going down throughout the day - what should be the right approach for the PSB stock ?

Sell it off at 9-15 am on the day of listing ?
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Given the way the MOIL stock behaved on the listing day - going down throughout the day - what should be the right approach for the PSB stock ?

Sell it off at 9-15 am on the day of listing ?
No one can predict what will happen. It depends on at what price stock gets listed. If the stock gets listed at the premium than fair value and people believe if it is not fair value then it may go down but you can not be 100% sure about that. Because many times stocks continue to trade above there fair valuation. So in short period anything can happen. In longer period fundamentals will determine price movement. But in short term stock can go up or down based on technicals.
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Given the way the MOIL stock behaved on the listing day - going down throughout the day - what should be the right approach for the PSB stock ?

Sell it off at 9-15 am on the day of listing ?
I don't know what will happen on the listing day, but I have decided to sell all the shares that I get at 9:15 AM.
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Any news on listing day as well allotment strategy?
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IPO price is fixed:

Rs. 120/share.

No news of allotment yet.

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As by S P Tulsian it's valuation is 135 Rs. If you get shares of Punjab and Sind bank then you will be exit above 135.
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Applied for 1400 shares at Rs 120.

Could not select "cut off" price because the hdfc online page throws a pop up that blocks the check box provided for 'cut off' .

This is my first time applying for IPO from HDFC online ASBA. The status shows "executed". but the amount is not deducted / blocked from my account. Is this how it should work?
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This is my first time applying for IPO from HDFC online ASBA. The status shows "executed". but the amount is not deducted / blocked from my account. Is this how it should work?
Yes. The amount will stay in your account.

When you will be allotted the shares, only the cost of the allotted shares will be deducted from your bank account.
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Money got released from Bank Of India ASBA a/c without any allotment I had applied for 33 lots (1650 shares).
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Allotment out. http://www.linkintime.co.in/
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Yes allotment is out , I got 50 shares against application of 1650.
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Applied for 17 Lots (Rs 1.02 Lakhs)

Got 1 Lot. Lucky again .
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Allotted one lot of 50 in one full application and did not get any in the other full application nor in the 2 lot application. That's what happens when you apply for an IPO subscribed 44 times in the category I guess.
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Allocated 50 shares each in 3 Full applications.
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It is a good bank and I was able to value based on earning around 284.

All figures in crores

Interest Income = 3934
Non interest Income = 392
Total Income = 4326

Growth in income is 19% from 2009, which was half of 44% it did as compared to 2008. As 5 year data is available only I will assume average growth are of 30% in revenue.

Also, Interest Is major Source of Income, which means a traditional operation and profits are sensitive to market Interest rates.

Operating Expenses = 699

Which is 16% of Total Income and lowest among peers.

Interest Expense = 2750.
Which is 64% of Total Income.
The most important measure Interest Profit Margin is 30% which is same as ICICI and Lower to Axis Bank (43%).

The margin has dropped over past 5 years from 43% down now to 30%, implying it is losing its Pricing power of loans or is unable to get low cost funds.

Profit Before Tax = 666.
Thus. GPM = 15%.
More than ICICI, Same as HDFC BANK and Lower than AXIS Bank.

Finally Net Profit = 506.
with NPM = 12%
Better than ICICI and Lower than HDFC BANK and AXIS Bank.

I was able to put value as per earning as 284!

By doing Future Cash Flow discounting method, for 10 years assuming bank will grow profit at 10% rate.

I get Value = 167

I think we will get solid listing!
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