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If at all we have courage to buy and hold, exactly those stocks never participate in the rally .
totally agree, I have REC since fpo @203
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Govt asks REC to use IRFC's quota of tax-free bonds :

Govt asks REC to use IRFC's quota of tax-free bonds
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I noticed that REC has issued total bonds in 2011 of about 40,000 crores approx. refer annual report page 104.

The market cap is 16000 crores approx at current price of 170 a share!

The people are ready to lent to REC against the same earning power and risks associated a huge amount of 40,000 crores. This means sooner or later the Equity holders will get same price on the shares as they hold the similar risks or even bigger?

The share price will catch up to 40,000 crores?

That will imply 404 per share with shares outstanding of 99 crores.

Alchemist any thought on same. The above concept is from Graham securities analysis.

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"There are instances where an equity share may be considered sound because it enjoys a margin of safety as large as that of a good bond. This will occur, for example, when a company has outstanding only equity shares that under depression conditions are selling for less than the amount of the bonds that could safely be issued against its property and earning power. In such instances the investor can obtain the margin of safety associated with a bond with all the chances of large income and principal appreciation inherent in an equity share."

"An equity share representing the entire business cannot be less safe and less valuable than a bond having a claim to only a part that of."
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Alchemist any thought on same. The above concept is from Graham securities analysis.
You are misinterpreting the comments.

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This will occur, for example, when a company has outstanding only equity shares that under depression conditions are selling for less than the amount of the bonds that could safely be issued against its property and earning power.
Graham is referring to a case when only equity shares are outstanding and then valuing the equity shares by comparing them with the debt that could be issued by the company.

The debt should be serviceable by the pre-debt earnings of the company.
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What does technical say for REC?

It is not able to cross 240 mark. Is it better to exit at this level and enter again?
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What does technical say for REC?

It is not able to cross 240 mark. Is it better to exit at this level and enter again?
245-250 is a tough resistance zone for the stock, but if the stock is able to cross that range, it may go all the way to 275-280.

I would say you should hold with a stop-loss of around 220.
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REC's OFS opens tomorrow.

5% discount for retail investors.
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This looks attractive at this point specially for retail investors.

But do you think we can get the price in the range 300-280 in near future instead?

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But do you think we can get the price in the range 300-280 in near future instead?
Difficult to say.

Looking at the current demand for the OFS, it seems unlikely that the stock will go below 320 in next 1 week.
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Difficult to say.

Looking at the current demand for the OFS, it seems unlikely that the stock will go below 320 in next 1 week.
Where can you see the demand. Are you planning to apply? If yes then at what price?
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Where can you see the demand. Are you planning to apply? If yes then at what price?
Demand details are available at both NSE and BSE websites.

http://nseindia.com/live_market/cont...e/ofs_sale.htm

Offer for Sale - Live/Forthcoming

I am planning to apply to take advantage of the 5% discount arbitrage - no intention of holding for the long term.

I have applied at 323.10 and 324.10 from two different accounts.

If one is not sure about the price, he/she can bid at cut-off, but allocation at cut-off price will be on proportionate basis. All bids higher than cut-off price will get 100% allotment.
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I have applied at 323.10 and 324.10 from two different accounts.
Seriously?

I have applied at 317.10. Looks like I have to modify the bid. Do you have any idea would it be good to go ahead with that (317.1) price?

I am also targeting for 5% discount.

Your quick response would be appreciated.

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Demand details are available at both NSE and BSE websites.

http://nseindia.com/live_market/cont...e/ofs_sale.htm

Offer for Sale - Live/Forthcoming

I am planning to apply to take advantage of the 5% discount arbitrage - no intention of holding for the long term.

I have applied at 323.10 and 324.10 from two different accounts.

If one is not sure about the price, he/she can bid at cut-off, but allocation at cut-off price will be on proportionate basis. All bids higher than cut-off price will get 100% allotment.
Thanks a lot. I don't see any option to apply at cut off price.

I can see from the link that issue subscribed so far is 4.77 crore shares. Whereas when I see details, the figure seems to be 2.69. Why are these two values different?
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Seriously?

I have applied at 317.10. Looks like I have to modify the bid. Do you have any idea would it be good to go ahead with that (317.1) price?

I am also targeting for 5% discount.

Your quick response would be appreciated.

Thanks!!
Looking at demand graph, even 324 looks doubtful.
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317.10 won't get any allotment.

The indicative price in the retail category is 320.62 and rising.

The indicative price in the general category is 315.72.

I will make my final price decision at 2:55 PM.

Till then I can keep editing the price and quantity.
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Thanks a lot. I don't see any option to apply at cut off price.

I can see from the link that issue subscribed so far is 4.77 crore shares. Whereas when I see details, the figure seems to be 2.69. Why are these two values different?
The difference may be because cut-off bids are not shown in the table.
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317.10 won't get any allotment.

The indicative price in the retail category is 320.62 and rising.

The indicative price in the general category is 315.72.

I will make my final price decision at 2:55 PM.

Till then I can keep editing the price and quantity.
Is not the issue open till 3:30? Also with current bids, It looks 322 will not get any allotment. It appears to me that indicative price does not have any meaning.
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Is not the issue open till 3:30? Also with current bids, It looks 322 will not get any allotment. It appears to me that indicative price does not have any meaning.
Most online brokers do not allow bid modification after 3 PM. Therefore for small investors like us, 3 PM is the practical deadline.

The indicative price is already above 323 and is likely to go to CMP - 326 or maybe above CMP.
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Is not the issue open till 3:30? Also with current bids, It looks 322 will not get any allotment. It appears to me that indicative price does not have any meaning.
See the table, don't look at the offer page.

http://nseindia.com/live_market/cont...n%20Limited=RS

Now I have two bids at 326.65 and 326.10.
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The indicative price as per the detailed bids table is now 325.
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The indicative price as per the detailed bids table is now 325.
One more query. Assuming the difference is because in quantity is because of cut off price, Why can't the cut off price be as high as 600. Even if the cut off price is 600, we have enough demand for the issue.
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Now I have two bids at 326.15 and 326.10.
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One applied @326.25.
Another one applied @326.55.
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One more query. Assuming the difference is because in quantity is because of cut off price, Why can't the cut off price be as high as 600. Even if the cut off price is 600, we have enough demand for the issue.
As per the rules, the cut-off price is determined after price discovery. Cut-off price has no role in price discovery.
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Indicative price has touched 326. .
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ICICIDirect is still accepting order modifications.

Indicative price is now 326.55.
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BSE's website is updating faster.

NSE's data is delayed.
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Indicative price has touched 326. .
I think we have to stop at one point. @326 including brokerage it may be around 312/share. I have seen the general category where mostly the bid is at 320/share. So with little margin of safety I think 326 should be a fine price.

However with the great interest from retail :-), I think the pressure will be more on the price in the short term.

I hope we can get the shares from OFS let us see how would it turn around.
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BSE's website is updating faster.

NSE's data is delayed.
I think broker would have started uploading the bids after 3.00 PM. So the demand in last half an hour can be significantly different the what was seen around 3.00. Anyways I missed the issue because sharekhan has already closed accepting bids.
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The retail segment seems overheated now.

The spread between general and retail categories is now nearly 4%.

The indicative price in the general category is just 318.

I have stopped increasing my bids as the indicative price has already crossed 330.
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The retail segment seems overheated now.

The spread between general and retail categories is now nearly 4%.

The indicative price in the general category is just 318.

I have stopped increasing my bids as the indicative price has already crossed 330.
Seems cut off price to be around 331. Good that I did not apply.
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Seems cut off price to be around 331. Good that I did not apply.
332 has been touched.

1 hour wasted for nothing. .
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332 has been touched.

1 hour wasted for nothing. .
Exactly. Me too wasted my time .

But I think we can see the price coming around Rs:310, I guess. Looks like retail forgot about the brokerage to be added to the price they have applied.
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With that money I bought 200 bonds of Untitled Page at price 960.
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Did anybody applied at cut off ?

I don't think the option was available for retail in this OFS.
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Applied at Rs.318.

Lets see what the floor price will be decided.

Little chance to get allotment though.

Fingers crossed.

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Did anybody applied at cut off ?

I don't think the option was available for retail in this OFS.
Yes, you are right, cut-off option was not available for this OFS.

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Little chance to get allotment though.
The final clearing price is Rs 333.30 (excluding discount) for retail and Rs 327.25 for general category.
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The final clearing price is Rs 333.30 (excluding discount) for retail and Rs 327.25 for general category.
I applied at 327.25 but as a retail.
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Wont get anything.
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