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I would like to invite member's opinion on Bartronics India Ltd.

This is a company manufacturing RFID card and has a good presence in the ADIC field. It is growing inorganically. Recently bought two companies in the US and looking to acquire one in the EU.
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Check this link, it is a short term technical pick

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...2752341700.htm
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icicidirect.com has a good review on Bartronics including detailed analysis of its business. It is the only such company in India. Its growth both sales and EPS are impressive. It is involved in bar coding, smart cards, SIM cards etc. I had bought it at 130 and still hold it. I think 180 is very reasonable price to buy more. The recent profit has grown by around 200%, if I remember rightly.
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Has anyone compared it with its peers? We need to look at the growth of the market this company is targetting. Cant predict how the demand for the bar codes and other things its engaged in, will be.
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Default bartronics Buy?

Fundamentals are strong and have potential future growth.

I appreciate suggestions from forum members for investment purpose over 3-5 years period.
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I have bought 300 shares @ 179.2/sh. For last many days the stock has been consolidating at 174-182/Sh and i think it is ready for a breakout may be for a short term target (next 15 days) of 194-205/sh.

I think it can be bought once it gives a close of 182.9/sh + for a max target of 220 (short term).
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I remember you asked me about ISPAT last time and my analysis put you in doubt. I suggest you stick to your own view

For me this one is also forming rounding Top on Long term weekly Chart, I will not put my money into it!

I have a target of 50 with in 1 year for this script. If the pattern breaks, then we will see!


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You are right i exited early from Ispat. Nevertheless i still earned around 2300/- through trading.

I got a tip from somewhere and then followed it for another 15 t-days before buying it. I have taken this shares (Bartronics) for a very short term and i feel it will at least touch 200 intra day before moving down again. I plan to exit once i get a price of 188 intra- day.

Yes it is making a rounding top pattern. But i feel as long as sensex keeps strong this share will also be able to sustain present level.

I plan to hold it with a stop loss of 168 for a target of 189. This is purely for trading purpose.

Thanks for your advice. I will lighten a bit by selling 100 shares tomorrow at 182 or so. Remaining i will hold as per my plan.
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I have sold 200 shares of bartronics at 182.3 today. Now i have only 100 shares left which i will sell at around 184-190 levels if it rallies anytime in future.

I will wait for another 7 -8 days for any upside. I have bought it at 179.7/Sh.
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I remember you asked me about ISPAT last time and my analysis put you in doubt. I suggest you stick to your own view

For me this one is also forming rounding Top on Long term weekly Chart, I will not put my money into it!

I have a target of 50 with in 1 year for this script. If the pattern breaks, then we will see!

I would like to know about long term perspective of board members on this company...
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bartronics gets 400 crores of orders to issue smart cards in over 6 lk villages.

is the news enough to break the rounded top format.is it clear the right format formed?

alchemist what do u suggest?
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is the news enough to break the rounded top format.is it clear the right format formed?

alchemist what do u suggest?
The announcement had been made yesterday.

The stock didn't react much to the news and I am surprised about that.

Rs 400 crore is a big figure for Bartronics.

I couldn't find detailed information on the order. Maybe the order has to be executed over many years.

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Bartronics is trading at around 12 times last four quarters' earnings.

The stock does look attractive at current prices.
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@Man$heart

hi,

you r almost there (target of 50) Man,will u stick to that target,has it really in the rounding top format (confirmed or not) please give me an update.

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- Well In amibroker it doesn't feels like rounding Top, but this pattern always have element of doubt!
- Volume is not forming a rounding pattern and is pretty flat, so unlucky in this case that pattern is not there.

It is on important support, if it breaks that then you will see the target!

Note: Price has already completed 78% of correction from 45.68
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Any inputs about future of this company..... at this price it is trading at book price of 80?

Why is price crashing so much?

Alchemist does it have potential for outperforming markets.

I was checking their balance sheet...they have grown their profits quite phenomenally.


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Why is price crashing so much?

Alchemist does it have potential for outperforming markets.
The company seems to be doing well.

The Q2 (FY 2009) results have been good.

RS 20.4 crore profit on consolidated bases and Rs 14.3 crore profit on standalone basis.

Along with an economic slowdown, Bartronics' growth may also slowdown in future. However, the stock price is already discounting the slowdown to a great extent.

Bartonics has a market capitalization of only Rs 170 crore and seems attractive at current price (Rs 88).
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Bartronics fell to 80 to 52 week low? Does this mean there is a problem with the company or simply that we should be out buying this stock?

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Bartronics fell to 80 to 52 week low? Does this mean there is a problem with the company or simply that we should be out buying this stock?

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Problem or no problem....most stocks go down in a bear market.

There is nothing that anyone can do about it.

I don't think there is any company-specific problem for Bartronics.

The company will have a standalone eps of around Rs 20 for FY 2009 and looks like a good buy at CMP (Rs 80).
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Are there any competitors for this company? I find management a bit inefficient!

Inventory turn in days has risen from 45 to 67 days last year.

Inventory pile up from quarterly reports is same as last year till now, lets see next 2 quarters for complete picture!

Current ratio is 5.39 which means management in efficiency!

Debt /Equity is 110 % isn't that bit high?

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I couldn't find any competitor for this company to compare performance?
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Problem or no problem....most stocks go down in a bear market.

There is nothing that anyone can do about it.

I don't think there is any company-specific problem for Bartronics.

The company will have a standalone eps of around Rs 20 for FY 2009 and looks like a good buy at CMP (Rs 80).
Alchemist, stock is down to Rs 60. Is this justified solely on the basis of a bear market or does the market know something we don't? Fall is also on top of higher than average volumes.

I have some stock of this company. Am willing to hold for 2-3 years unless there are some fundamental issues. What worries me is the debt that they have picked up.
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Alchemist, stock is down to Rs 60. Is this justified solely on the basis of a bear market or does the market know something we don't? Fall is also on top of higher than average volumes.

I have some stock of this company. Am willing to hold for 2-3 years unless there are some fundamental issues. What worries me is the debt that they have picked up.
I made a entry today ! I think company has bright prospect and I was not able to find there competitors in domestic market!

At this price downside risk is limited now!
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I made a entry today ! I think company has bright prospect and I was not able to find there competitors in domestic market!

At this price downside risk is limited now!
at wat price you made it today?
I think last was 58... got chance to get it?
wat are the fundamentals for the company that made you to enter?
It is still in bearish with flow. Not stopping anywhere.
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People who are holding this stock when I showed the pattern long back at 300 and told that 45 will come, nobody believed me!

Now we are there and I feel it is taking support and have limited downside and then Alchemist also declared @80 it is attractive!

W.r.t its earnings @ price of 58 it has Earnings yield of 81%

Which makes it quite juicy! Picked 100

Nobody can pick bottom, so I entered as I found it undervalued!

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What worries me is the debt that they have picked up.
Yes, that's true.

I am still trying to figure out what they did with all the money that they borrowed in FY 2008....
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Man4@.. bartronics is heading up today with good volume..

What you think, should we take a dip in or wait for next slow down and dip in?
I was thinking to enter at 54.50 but could not make it.

Btw did anyone figure out the borrowed money buy the company yet?
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Looks like a breakout, but needs a confirmation on Monday!

Target is 50 EMA!

You can add Fibonacci Targets also!
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I don't think so,

There was a news on TV about the investment in foreign market.. but did not disclose yet.

So might be that made it up today!

let's see how it goes..

If it goes up on Monday then definitely deal is done..or so..

Keep a close watch!
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Hmm. I still wonder about the debt. The amount of debt makes me uncomfortable.

If the debt is being put to good use, this stock could be a multi-bagger.

If they screw up with the debt, this stock is going down big time.

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Guys.

Any clue about this.. Monday also did well!! Volume was also sound.
Good for entry point of view at present price?

Your suggestion!.
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Any clue about this.. Monday also did well!! Volume was also sound.
Good for entry point of view at present price?

Your suggestion!.
It's an event driven move.

The attacks in Mumbai would now make companies spend more on security.

Companies like Bartronics may benefit from such a development.

Bartronics bets big on national I-card project.

Mumbai Attacks Fuel Demand for Security Products.

Zicom has been hitting upper circuits ever since the attacks....
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can we expect a quick 15 to 20% return in nxt 3 weeks from this one?

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can we expect a quick 15 to 20% return in nxt 3 weeks from this one

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The kind of profits reported by this company makes me wonder I hope it is not another satyam.

I want to see another quarter from them!

If they had such a phenomenal profit growth in past, I expect same not to fall to 1 digit number in this quarter! otherwise it is a false story.
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you have the right to fear sir.,this is from Andhra Pradesh.but i could not found any answer for my request.

or it is safe to turn to zicom!


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it is clear breakout! Watch out!
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blowup in bartronics with over a million shares traded.

any NEWS on it?
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blowup in bartronics with over a million shares traded.

any NEWS on it?
Bartronics got an order from Municipal Corporation of Delhi.

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Bartronics India Limited has informed the Exchange that: "Bartronics India Limited has bagged the prestigious project "AapKe Dwar" project from the Municipal Corporation of Delhi. The project envisages setting up and running 2000 G2C kiosks in Delhi. The project is on a Build-Operate-Transfer Model for a period of nine years. The company expects a minimum revenue of Rs. 5000 crores over the project period."
Source: Corporate Announcements for Bartronics on NSE.
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http://fraudsofindia.blogspot.com/20...ni-satyam.html
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the promoter shareholding is down because of a preferential allotment, ESOP's and FCCB conversion to shares.

the promoter group held 85.7 lac shares in Mar 2006.

the promoter group holding has gone up to 96.1 lac shares in December 2008.

Even if we remove the 12.4 lac shares held by financial institutions and banks, the promoter group holding is 83.8 lac shares...which is almost equal to the holding in March 2006.
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Hmmm.... simple and to the point! Alchemist, your thoughts, please .

Sucheta Dalal's MoneyLife also had some less than complimentary things to say here.
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Originally Posted by vasa1 View Post
Hmmm.... simple and to the point! Alchemist, your thoughts, please .

Sucheta Dalal's MoneyLife also had some less than complimentary things to say here.
all I can say is.....

I don't know.

Bartronics announced its results yesterday, but the market hasn't been impressed.

The company reported a net profit of only Rs 2.4 crore on standalone basis.

Q1 - net profit was Rs 15.3 crore.
Q2 - net profit was Rs 14.3 crore.
Q3 - net profit was Rs 18.5 crore.
Q4 - net profit is Rs 2.4 crore

A very sharp drop in profits..

Q3 had "other income" of Rs 11.7 crore.
Q4 has "other income" of Rs -7.3 crore (negative).

This seems to be one reason for sharp drop in profits. I have to check what exactly this negative "other income" is.
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