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Shorted 1 lot feb futures at 5755. Stoploss 5800.

I am targeting 5600 or even lower.
Loss booked at 5780. Loss= 25*20= Rs 500+ brokerage

Lesson learnt- Don't anticipate in the markets. Let the markets unfold before taking any decision.

Expensive lesson but it will definitely help me in the future.

Another lesson learnt- When a trade goes against you and your anticipation has been proven wrong, exit that trade. It can accure more losses if you continue to hold onto the trade.

Another lesson- When the markets are volatile, it is better not to trade

I wish one day I can become a better trader.
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Loss booked at 5780. Loss= 25*20= Rs 500+ brokerage

Lesson learnt- Don't anticipate in the markets. Let the markets unfold before taking any decision.

Expensive lesson but it will definitely help me in the future.

Another lesson learnt- When a trade goes against you and your anticipation has been proven wrong, exit that trade. It can accure more losses if you continue to hold onto the trade.

Another lesson- When the markets are volatile, it is better not to trade

I wish one day I can become a better trader.
The bold text is untrue
Professionals make money only during these occasions
When market is calm and less volatile,% of profit achieved are less. If one can predict the market and is in correct positions during these volatile trades then one can make killer amount

And one advice : Use MNIFTY not NIFTY futures.
It not good to trade in NIFTY Futures directly for a newbie in futures
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Loss booked at 5780. Loss= 25*20= Rs 500+ brokerage

Lesson learnt- Don't anticipate in the markets. Let the markets unfold before taking any decision.

Expensive lesson but it will definitely help me in the future.

Another lesson learnt- When a trade goes against you and your anticipation has been proven wrong, exit that trade. It can accure more losses if you continue to hold onto the trade.

Another lesson- When the markets are volatile, it is better not to trade

I wish one day I can become a better trader.
Nifty currently at 5683. You could have kept a wider stop loss upto 5825.

Would have made profit in the same trade.
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And one advice : Use MNIFTY not NIFTY futures.
It not good to trade in NIFTY Futures directly for a newbie in futures
I am using mini nifty only.


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Nifty currently at 5683. You could have kept a wider stop loss upto 5825.

Would have made profit in the same trade.
Fresh short mini nifty futures @ 5700 feb futures.

Stoploss at 5780.

I am very hopeful with this position. I am 90% sure that this will end up in huge profit.

Lets see.
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I feel you are over trading!

Particularly you have done revenge trade what you did today!

You should trade not more than 2 times a month if you are not a day trader. When I say 2 times included buying or selling shares.

Even if you are day trading, your strategies are not working!
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Covered my short at 5540.

Profit= 160 points.

= 156*20= Rs 3120- brokerage (around Rs 160)

Finally, got the trade right.

Experience:-

1) Trading has more risks and needs continuous monitoring. I won't try it again.

2) I won't be having time for trading and therefore bye bye for now.
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Averaged RIL, NHPC, Reliance Infra in very small lots. Bought very little quantity.

Want to buy Crisil but it is not coming down.
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Default Back after a long time

Well, I am posting after a long time. Almost, 6 years. Completed my MBA (Finance) and not invested in the stock markets for a long time. Currently working for a financial rating agency for the past 2 years.

My portfolio:-

10 Crisil @ 594
50 Jaiprakash Associates @ 104 (Currently at 7)
90 Rural Electirifcation @ 121
325 Jaypee Infra @ 84
30 Nilkamal @ 296

Plus have around 3.5 lakhs in various ELSS funds. Looking to invest in the stock markets for long term, don't have time to trade at all.

The laughable thing is that though I am working in the financial sector with one of the biggest firms, I am short of investment strategies.

Alchemist or anyone can suggest companies for long term and is it a good time to invest or should I wait? When I mean long term, I mean at least 15 years. Want to construct a solid portfolio.

Other option is mutual funds. I can invest 20-30K per month and increase it with time. Please suggest.
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Alchemist or anyone can suggest companies for long term and is it a good time to invest or should I wait? When I mean long term, I mean at least 15 years. Want to construct a solid portfolio.
15 years is a really long time and you will need to regularly track and churn your portfolio to get decent returns.

I think India's consumption story still has a long way to go. I won't say the same for "investment" part of the economy.

My broad suggestions are:

- Buy more of consumption stocks, especially those with no or little debt. Valuation of consumption stocks are expensive, so keep cash free for averaging in case these stocks correct more.
- Companies with high leverage (debt) can give good returns when economic conditions are favorable, but fizzle out when a downcycle starts.
- Don't invest too much in government companies. Government will never allow these companies to make extra ordinary profits for long periods.
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Default Bought Maruti Suzuki shares

Bought 12 Maruti Suzuki @ 5455 including brokerage.

Most of my holdings are in mutual funds. But, I plan to allocate all new purchases through shares. Not really planning to diversify stock holding as of now. For that I have mutual funds. Currently, have Rs 1.2 lakh more cash for stock purchases.

Reasons for buying Maruti:-

1) Sales are expected to increase going forward because of interest rate reduction.
2) Ciaz, Baleno and Brezza ae great cars as per my understanding. I would love to buy any of these cars,
3) Their waiting time is very high for new car purchase i.e. demand more than supply.
4) Brezza petrol version will see huge demand as per my understanding. I am desperately waiting for the launch.
5) Gujarat plant will be operational from February. Demand is already there. Exports can add to the numbers going forward.

Cons:-

1) PE is on the higher side.
2) Growth in the last few years is not substantial. Although, bottomline has improved, top line has been muted.
3) Royalty payments are high but that has been capped for newer models starting with Brezza.

I hope to hold on to the investment for 3 years.
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Default Bought Nilkamal, ICICI Bank, Radico khaitan, NTPC and Genus Power

Well, I am on a shopping spree. Bought all these for long term. Looking to review the investment in around 2-3 years.

Nilkamal- Their @home segment is profitable now. Although, the company looks fairly valued, I am very bullish on their furniture segment. I can see their products all over amazon, flipkart and the likes. I believe that the company has a lot of potential if organized furniture takes off. The stock is not cheap as per any parameter now. When, I last purchased at 296, the stock was cheap.

Total invested = 1502*15= 22530

ICICI Bank- Although not the best bank, but somehow I feel that it was one of the most trusted private sector bank and available at a good price to book. Also, I feel that the management is trying very hard to cleanse the issue of bad debts (several friends working for the bank at decent positions).

Total invested = 269 * 100= 26900

NTPC - Technically the stock looks strong and available at decent valuations. This stock is actually cheap as compared to the market. Infact, I feel that the entire power sector is cheap. I was looking at other pvt sector stocks as well but all of the stocks seem to have issues as of now which are difficult to resolve. Looking for more clarity from private players and would look at them only after that. Reliance power looks interesting but my calculations show that Sasan UMPP would make losses in the long term and Samalkot project which is being moved to Bangladesh needs more clarity. Therefore, took a safer bet and invested in NTPC where chart appears bullish.

Total invested = 174* 200= 34800.

Radico Khaitan- The stock is not cheap but I really like the way they are improving margins by focussing on semi-premium products. They have even launched a whisky for international markets by the name of Rampur. Also, magic moments has a lot of potential in the long run. It has a decent brand recall. Also, electra a ready to drink product can help increase volumes along with margins. I am very bullish on this company and the management is also reliable as per me.

Total invested = 120 * 300 = 36000

Genus power- The stock is not much known, but it is into manufacture of smart meters, cloud based meters and related products. With governments focus on reducing AT&C losses, I believe the company can benefit in a big way. With most of the states under Uday scheme, I foresee, either privatization of distribution utilities or more spending by government utilities. This company can benefit in a big way. With all said and done, I have invested a smaller amount in this company and would like to increase my holding if some of the steps by the government materialize and the stock price moves higher.

Total invested = 42.2 * 300 = 12660


Total Portfolio:-

Crisil- 10
JP Associates - 50
Rural Electrification - 90 (Looking to sell)
JP Infra - 325
Maruti Suzuki - 12
Nilkamal - 45
ICICI Bank - 100
NTPC - 200
Radico Khaitan - 300
Genus Power - 300
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Hi,

Have you done any bench marking ?
Between direct equity and MF ?
It has been an eye-opener for me.
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It has been an eye-opener for me.
and what is that? :-)
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A hard hitting lesson for me

Hi, ajitpal jee

By benchmarking/indexing I mean two things -

1. Compare returns vis a vis one's own mental passive benchmark. A passive benchmark is the returns one expecst to get from a passive investment instrument that one has the ability and guts to invest in. This passive benchmark can be an index (ETF) or better average of top 10 or 20 MF.

Question to ponder is - Is the XIRR of direct equity significantly more than the passive benchmark to make it worth in terms of time and effort spent.


2. Compare the impact of higher returns generated from the direct equity portfolio on the total of all return generating investments.

The below is a very simplistic calculation.

Say the corpus is of 40L of which
10L is in EPF with return 9%
10L is in other debt PPF, NCD etc with return 9%
10L in equity MF generating 12%
10L in direct equity DE generating say 18%

Overall returns = (90+90+120+180)K/40L = 12%

So the DE is beating MF by 600 basis points, pretty impressive.
But instead of DE if invested in MF then
the returns would have been
= (90+90+120+120)K/40L
= 10.5%

So in the overall portfolio this 600 basis point is a kicker of
= (90+90+120+180)K/40L -(90+90+120+120)K/40L
= 12%-10.5%
= 1.5%

This is the extra returns that the portfolio achieved by investing in DE instead of MF

The above is a very optimistic and simplistic calculation in my opinion.

Usually the DE proportion is very low for the average people.
And there performance rarely beats their own passive benchmark.
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Well, I am posting after a long time. Almost, 6 years. Completed my MBA (Finance) and not invested in the stock markets for a long time. Currently working for a financial rating agency for the past 2 years.

My portfolio:-

10 Crisil @ 594
50 Jaiprakash Associates @ 104 (Currently at 7)
90 Rural Electirifcation @ 121
325 Jaypee Infra @ 84
30 Nilkamal @ 296

Plus have around 3.5 lakhs in various ELSS funds. Looking to invest in the stock markets for long term, don't have time to trade at all.

The laughable thing is that though I am working in the financial sector with one of the biggest firms, I am short of investment strategies.

Alchemist or anyone can suggest companies for long term and is it a good time to invest or should I wait? When I mean long term, I mean at least 15 years. Want to construct a solid portfolio.

Other option is mutual funds. I can invest 20-30K per month and increase it with time. Please suggest.
The following story has many lessons.

It's up to you to discover those and try to profit from it.

I applied for two IPO's in 2004

Got NTPC at INR 62

Got TCS at INR 850 (after bonus and split current cost 225)

TCS galloped, I sold in 2 years at double the price and pocketed a nice profit.

If I had not sold it would be near 10 times now.

NTPC was a slow and steady runner, finally I got frustrated and sold in 2016 at 160.

Got COAL at FPO price of 350 reached 450 within 6 months currently lying at 300 odd price. Still holding due to dividend play.
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The same here too .

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And there performance rarely beats their own passive benchmark.
Exactly I could never beat my % of MF return with my DE.

For some time I totally stopped doing DE.

However started again as you could never stop your intuition that I can beat MF's return . But unlike before I do it at small scale level only.
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The same here too .
Appreciate your, public honesty

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However started again as you could never stop your intuition that I can beat MF's return . But unlike before I do it at small scale level only.

Yes I too am in the same boat, the confidence of beating the MF's returns never go.

What I do now, for small kicks, is apply for IPO from multiple accounts, the returns are usually good for treating self and family .

And continue to not tinker with existing SIPs.
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Exactly I could never beat my % of MF return with my DE.

For some time I totally stopped doing DE.

However started again as you could never stop your intuition that I can beat MF's return . But unlike before I do it at small scale level only.
The key question to ask here is the process. What did you do differently basis which you were expecting superior returns in DE vs MF ? Where you making the same mistakes over and over again ?

The key to making money in DE is to follow a diligent process and keep honing it with every passing year.

If one is serious about wealth creation via equities, DE should be the preferred route.

Also if you factor in the recurring costs, over 10-15 years,it makes a huge difference between MF and DE.
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The key question to ask here is the process. What did you do differently basis which you were expecting superior returns in DE vs MF ? Where you making the same mistakes over and over again ?

The key to making money in DE is to follow a diligent process and keep honing it with every passing year.

If one is serious about wealth creation via equities, DE should be the preferred route.

Also if you factor in the recurring costs, over 10-15 years,it makes a huge difference between MF and DE.
Agree unequivocally.

The problem with me is, time constraint. I go out of touch of market for a month or more due to office work.
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Got TCS at INR 850 (after bonus and split current cost 225)

TCS galloped, I sold in 2 years at double the price and pocketed a nice profit.

If I had not sold it would be near 10 times now.
My dad is still holding onto the 2 lot-equivalent he was allotted during TCS IPO.

Bonuses and Dividends hasn't tempted him to sell it!

Having said that, not sure whether it a good idea to hold on further given the uncertainties in the IT sector.
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My dad is still holding onto the 2 lot-equivalent he was allotted during TCS IPO.

Bonuses and Dividends hasn't tempted him to sell it!

Having said that, not sure whether it a good idea to hold on further given the uncertainties in the IT sector.
A direct equity holder cannot afford to have this. If you do not have a good idea why you are holding a stock, it is better to sell off and buy a MF where at least the fund manager would have that idea.
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I have tried to track my returns through moneycontrol site. I have assumed 01 feb 2017 as my portfolio start date. All my 17 Jan purchases, I have taken the purchase price. For rest of my portfolio, I have taken 01 feb prices.

The return for the last 3 months is 17.3% mainly because of stellar performance by Nilkamal which happens to be my biggest bet. Maruti returns has been good as well. Really dissapointed with Radico Khaitan as I had huge hopes from that stock.
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Purchased 50 info edge shares at 845. It is a long term bet. I believe in the next 2 years a lot of startups will try for listing, which can lift its price in the short term. Also, zomato listing when it happens can be a big trigger for the stock. Long term I am very bullish on this company.

Also bought 30 reliance capital at 670. They are selling their non core holdings and their financing business is growing. Also, their mutual fund business is expected to continue its stellar performance.

I will update the portfolio later on in this thread.
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