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Old 13th March 2009, 07:34 PM
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Default Preferred Day Trading Strategy?



What's your preferred day-trading strategy?

-news driven?
-using technical indicators?
-totally speculative.....gambling.....intuition-based?
-using pivot points and resistances/supports?
-watching order flow......tape-reading?
-technical pattern-based....waiting for breakouts?
-using calls given by someone else?

I find trading against opening-gaps the most profitable strategy.....has an amazing success rate for me.
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I don't day trade, but I tried it for 3 months using the pivot system...

But I would like to learn your strategy.

Can you explain it with some charts what you do and how you identify the script to day trade?
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Old 13th March 2009, 10:11 PM
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I don't like to do that....

But I want to know the strategy.... So that in future... I will do that...
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Old 14th March 2009, 07:16 PM
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But I want to know the strategy.... So that in future... I will do that...
Actually, it doesn't involve any charting.

It is more of a tape-reading exercise that takes advantage of a temporary disbalance during market opening.

I wait for a day which is expected to gap-down or gap-up sharply. Every 4th or 5th day does gap sharply nowadays.

I trade only in those stocks which are on my "market watch" or very liquid stocks.

As I watch these stocks everyday, I know what is an abnormally sharp move or an abnormal volume for such stocks.

If I try to trade a stock that I don't know much about, I won't be able to tell if the order flow is normal or abnormal.

e.g. take the case of ICICI. I watch it daily and I know that 3000-5000 share orders are normal for this stock. However, if I start seeing 15000-20000 share orders, I know that there is abnormal trading going on in this stock.

For something like Dish TV, 20000+ shares orders are above normal.

I am talking about single orders and not the demand at a single price level.

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I avoid gaps that are created by any news about a particular stock.

If Ranbaxy gaps down because of some US FDA penalty, the stock should be avoided. The reason is that is it difficult to anticipate market's reaction to such developments.

(I do trade such gaps too, but these are involve greater higher risk).

The stock that we are looking for, is the one that hasn't been volatile in the past few sessions, but suddenly gaps (up or down) because of overall market movement.

What we want is an abnormal price move at not more than normal volume.

When a relatively stable stock suddenly gaps, the losing side liquidates first.

e.g. If something like Dish TV gaps down, some of the longs from previous days would panic and start dumping the stock.

Those who were waiting till yesterday for buying the stock, will wait for a few moments and make sure that they get the best price.

Once the panic sellers are out, the stock again tries to stablize. The buyers then jump in and take the stock higher.

Sellers, who feel trapped because of the gap will surely try to sell as the stocks fills the gap. Thus, the entry and exit has to be done quickly.

For each stock, "abnormal price move" would have a different definition.

For Dish TV, a gap down of 4% or so would surely mean a buying opportunity. Depending on the market conditions, I would even enter at a 3% gap-down.

For something like Everonn Systems, I would prefer a much bigger gap.

The important part is that the orders causing these gaps shouldn't be abnormally big. Otherwise, the stock may not be able to fill the gap.

(We don't have to wait for the entire gap to be filled. I usually close the trade if I see 1%-2% move).

The interesting part is that this strategy works much better when the market gaps-down than when it gaps-up.

Also, it works really well with stocks like Dish TV. Some stocks like ICICI Bank don't really fill their gaps fast enough.

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I usually look for gaps of more than 4%.

On opening, I just sort the "market watch" by the % change.

Thus, I instantly know which stocks have opened with a sharp gap.

Then, I open the order-book and check if the orders are large or normal.

e.g. If Dish TV opens with a 3%-4% gap down and the orders at each price-step are 2000-3000 shares, I go long.

If the orders are for 8000-10000 shares, I know there are serious sellers in the market and going long will be risky.

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The trick is to be able to read the order-flow.

That's the reason I avoid news-driven stocks.

News for a stock changes the demand-supply equation and we don't know how to define "normal order size" for such a stock.

I rarely use a stop-loss in such trades.

I have a 80%-90% success rate with this strategy, but the problem is that stocks don't gap sharply everyday.

With this strategy, 2-3 trades is the max that I do in a week.

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If you want to try it out, try with smaller lots first.

Make a list of moderately-volatile stocks and watch them everyday.

Liquid stocks should be preferred.

Something like Suzlon and Unitech would be ideal.

Dish TV is my personal favorite. (In fact, even though it doesn't gap all the time, I still trade it everyday...)

Avoid stocks which have moved sharply in previous 1-3 sessions.
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Is there any other which is trading nearby 25 which is suited here????

Those stocks are all now trading around 50..... I don't want to try in bulk.....
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Old 27th May 2009, 05:47 PM
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Is there any other which is trading nearby 25 which is suited here????

Those stocks are all now trading around 50..... I don't want to try in bulk.....
Ispat Industries and Alox Textiles are pretty liquid and both are trading near 25.

Another is WWIL.

Observe the stocks for a few days before you start taking big positions.

Each stock behaves in a different way.
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Alchemist 2 questions for you...
1) when you said "I am talking about single orders and not the demand at a single price level.". I have icici direct and rel money a/c. Can this be done on any of these. if yes, do you know how ?

2) Which site/tool you use to market watch. There is one on icici direct I think but can we sort on that, not so sure about that.
Which one's share watchlist application is better; yahoo's or google's ?
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Alchemist 2 questions for you...
1) when you said "I am talking about single orders and not the demand at a single price level.". I have icici direct and rel money a/c. Can this be done on any of these. if yes, do you know how ?

2) Which site/tool you use to market watch. There is one on icici direct I think but can we sort on that, not so sure about that.
Which one's share watchlist application is better; yahoo's or google's ?
it won't be possible with ICICIDirect.com as it doesn't have a live marketwatch.

You can do it with Reliance Money if you are "Insta Trade".

I use IndiaBulls' "Power Indiabulls"....for marketwatch as well as for trading.

Not sure about Yahoo, Google etc....I rarely use them.
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@Alchemist

Have u tried this method for futures trading?

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Nice post alchemist...don't know how i missed this one...just saw it.
my query is similar to rag_bh

what is your opinion on index based instruments [nifty/bank nifty/cnx it etc..] using this strategy.
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Nice post alchemist...don't know how i missed this one...just saw it.
my query is similar to rag_bh

what is your opinion on index based instruments [nifty/bank nifty/cnx it etc..] using this strategy.
I haven't tried.

Actually, I don't think it will work with index futures.

First, the indices don't gap so sharply.

Second, index futures are very liquid and don't really exhibit such "shock openings".

Even if the index futures gap up or down, they do it on large volumes.

What we want is a stock that opens 5% down and within a minute is down only 2%....a 3% move within a few seconds.

the indices don't move in such a manner.
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Extremely informative. Bookmarked for detailed read later.
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As I am new to this forum I am giving a simple formula for day trading. I am new to day trading.

If open and high of a scrip on a day is almost same and the scrip start trade on 2% less on previous close one can sell it for at least 3%.

There are many more like this.
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